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32: AI’s Role in the Creative Process and Beyond
Artificial intelligence is transforming how filmmakers and choreographers make work. It also offers exciting possibilities to become more efficient and productive with admin tasks, or filling in funding application forms to finance creative projects.
Performers, dancers or actors, can also make AI work for them, to prepare castings or find more castings for example, to name but a few.
In this episode, Cindy Claes (host; action actress; filmmaker) and Jenny Ambukiyenyi Onya (AI business owner and artist) discuss how to unlock creativity and productivity with AI.
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Welcome to the Loud Whisper Takeover podcast. Today we are going to talk about artificial intelligence, ai. How can we use it as makers, filmmakers, theatre makers, choreographers? How can we use it as performers, as actors, as dancers? What are the exciting possibilities that exist? What are the things that we are scared about? Today I have a very special guest. She's an artist herself. She's creating and making theater, she's writing, she's choreographing and she also has a business focused on AI. So what better guest than Jenny Onya? Hey, jenny, what's up? Hello Cindy, I am fine. How are you doing? Hello Cindy, I am fine. What about you? I'm super excited. So, number one, you're based in Belgium, let's say that to start with, but you work internationally. Your AI business is working internationally. Can you explain to us in a nutshell what your AI-focused business is doing and what you specialize?
Speaker 2:in? Yes, sure, thank you for having me today, today's session. So, first of all, thank you for that. Basically, I've created two companies, one in Belgium and another one in DRC, democratic Republic of Congo, but both companies are focusing on providing services and product to other organizations, and product and services that are focusing on artificial intelligence. This is our main expertise and we provide different kinds of services that can go from consulting services that can go to capacity building, research and development, and you also have impactful products that actually are serving the undeserved population in Africa. So, yes, we are actually using artificial intelligence to create impact in our societies, are?
Speaker 1:you basically consulting businesses on how to use artificial intelligence to become more productive, become more creative, find more solutions, or are you also creating AI tools to help their needs? Do you do both, or is it one or the?
Speaker 2:other. Actually, we are doing both. We are helping other companies that would like to actually integrate artificial intelligence into their own processes, products, organization. We provide strategic advising on how to do it the best way, and also we also create AI algorithms. So we have our own products.
Speaker 1:Yes, Can you tell us in a nutshell what you do as an artist? Because you're also an artist. You work in the creative world. Yes, sure?
Speaker 2:So basically, I am a choreographer and I'm also a playwright. I use, I will say, dance as a vehicle for communication through theater. So basically, I create play when I use dance as a focus point to communicate and to actually share emotion, tell story. So basically, this is what I'm doing as a creative person.
Speaker 1:For all the people that are new to this podcast, I am obviously a filmmaker. I'm an action actress, I'm a screen actress, but I also have a background in dance. I was a choreographer. I used a screen actress, but I also have a background in dance. I was a choreographer. I used to create a lot of theater as well, so we will be talking about a whole bunch of creative expressions. I will probably, in today's episode, talk a bit more about how we can use AI in the acting business, the film business, and Jenny will probably add more in terms of how we can use AI in general, as creatives, and also in the theater and dance business. So I know you've also been winning quite a few prizes or awards in the AI field. Your leadership skills were highlighted. Can you give us a couple of things that really were important for you? Yes, sure.
Speaker 2:So, yes, I'm actually working a lot in Africa. This is very important. This is also coming from my roots, my background, originally, even though I'm based in Belgium, but I had the privilege to actually to provide a pitch in the annual meetings of the African Development Group, which is a very huge corporation in Africa that is providing finance to can be bank itself, but it can be also entrepreneur, and they have like a specific program that is focusing on women women in business in Africa and they wanted me to actually pitch our companies, our initiative, on the African continent. I was invited to provide this pitch in front of a huge audience of leaders on the African continent, so this was actually very interesting. But we also have worked and won some prizes in Belgium, such as the D4D prize, which was a prize provided at Tervuren in Brussels, so it was also about impactful AI ideas and projects that can impact undeserved populations that are outside Belgium, and we were also privileged to be shortlisted, just to name a few.
Speaker 1:Amazing. So, first of all, we are going to talk about all the exciting opportunities about AI. We can talk about all the doubts and the fears, maybe at the end of this podcast, but first of all, it's about giving a lot of hope, a lot of excitement, a lot of joy, a lot of practical tools. So we will talk around how we can develop initial ideas, how we can use AI in the creative process, how we can then use AI in supporting our making, putting a team together, funding, application forms, pitching and then obviously also marketing. When it comes to being a performer, we will also look at how we can use AI to train our skills and also how to prepare for castings, how to prepare for a role when we have been casted, and how, maybe, to create Instagram content or social media content as well. So let's start. We have an initial idea. We are an artist. Boom. I have an idea. What can we do with AI in order, not for AI, maybe, to become the creator instead of me, but how can it support our initial idea?
Speaker 2:Yes, sure, but I would like just to emphasize on one point that you actually just said, but it's important to have this in mind throughout this entire session, I think. So we tend to see that AI is like replacing things that we are doing, but we rather see it, as you have to see it, in my opinion as a virtual assistant. So imagine I'm a creative, I don't have like an entire team of 10, I don't have the budget, let's say so. This is also where AI is actually helping a lot. So, basically, you will have several virtual assistants and I insist on the word assistant in order for you to take a decision as the I would say, the creative person that actually is taking charge of this project. So this is important.
Speaker 2:So, if we go back to what we are discussing now, it's ideation, concept development. We can see artificial intelligence helping you. I would say, generate ID, open new doors of IDs that you didn't add. It will also help you, assist you in the writing of narrative arcs. It will also help you explore tone, also have brainstorming of characters, having a mapping of a structure, mapping like the hero journey. So all these tools that you can use are really helping you as a creative in charge of the project to open your horizons and to have more ideas to generate. So just basically to have a discussion with a computer and just asking him yeah, his thought about your basic idea.
Speaker 1:So question do you only use ChatGPT or are there other tools that you use for the initial concept development? So you have a narrative arc that you want to clarify, maybe the tone of your story, the hero journey, the characters? Do you use ChatGPT or other tools as well?
Speaker 2:Yes, actually, chatgpt is a very, I will say, very interesting tool. It englobes a lot of, I would say, ai-powered components. Interesting tool. It englobes a lot of, I would say, ai-powered components, but there is a lot of, I would say, tools that are integrating AI, such as, you can see, sudowrite that is helping you prompting, generate ID, create narrative arcs. You also have Characterai so you can type it directly on Google. Characterai that is helping you provide a genre, providing you a tone to a specific character, brainstorming about the character of the, of your, your story. And you also have a squibblerio, which is actually helping you to have a structure mapping, like create a hero journey that you are going to use for your story. So there is a lot of other tools that sometimes are also integrating ChatGPT.
Speaker 1:So, you see, in order for you to do a specific action, Then another thing I'd love to discuss with you is I feel like when I talk about ChatGPT or other tools with some friends, some are saying, well, no, it's like so general and stupid. But I actually feel there is an art in giving the right prompt, because if you give ChatGPT, like if you can't delegate basically to your virtual assistant, your virtual assistant can't do a good job. And I feel us as creatives or any person using AI, you need to be really good at giving the right prompt. And number one would you agree with me? And number two, how do you organize your prompts, either with ChatGPT or these other websites, so that it gives you something with meat?
Speaker 2:Yes, sure, and this is. I actually really agree and I'm completely in line on what you are saying. It's the same as like in real life. For instance, I go back to my experience as a leader of a company. Then you have someone that is working with you, for you, and you have to provide her or him instruction, like you have to be very clear about what you want so that the work can be done effectively. So that's the same actually with GPT. So, if you want GPT to actually provide you the right answer, you really have to be like to structure your mind in a way that it can provide you also a clear answer. And also you also have to understand that there is, like, different model.
Speaker 2:I would say, precisely, there is different model of GPT. There is a free one, which is having more confusion. You will see that, okay, sometimes it's like having a bit of delusional information that is providing. Then you also have paid version, where the model is more accurate, more precise, more efficient. So if you want to have a better response of GPT, you have actually to pay, and prompting is something that is now a new job, actually With the, I would say, the popularization of ChatGPT in 2022, I think, yeah, prompt engineer. It's becoming like a new profile job that people are seeking. So it's like an expertise that you actually develop on how to really in an efficient way interact with the computer so that the computer provides you the best answer.
Speaker 1:I'll give you two examples of how I've been prompting different AI tools.
Speaker 1:First of all, I try to keep my prompts short.
Speaker 1:So, for example, I'm not going to say to ChatGPT or any other platform oh, write me a script about this Viking that goes and fights with some pirates in the ocean. I would say, hey, write me a paragraph of the opening scene of the idea I have of there is a female Viking. Does it even exist? I don't even know. But I'd say that I have a female Viking in mind. A female Viking. She just looks at the land that she's about to leave and she's about to board on the boat that will take her away for three months to fight some pirates. Write me a paragraph and then, once I have a paragraph that AI writes for me, like I rewrite it, and it's a back and forth of rewrites and then this paragraph, I will develop it.
Speaker 1:But I always give short prompts, if that makes sense, to AI, another thing that I've also been doing. So I've been experimenting with video making tools, AI video making tools, and so what I'm doing, instead of prompting the video making tool, I'm going to chat GPT and I say, hey, I need to write a good prompt for my video AI tool. This is what I want the video AI tool to do. Can you help me write a good prompt? And I say it needs to do this and this and this and this and this, but it seems to put it in a way that is clearer than if I was to delegate straight away to the video platform, if that makes sense. So my first question is do you think I can improve what I'm doing currently? And number two do you have any sort of magic recipe of what good prompting is?
Speaker 2:I will say that, yeah, in my experience, when I'm prompting with GPT and interacting with GPT, I provide first, I provide the context.
Speaker 2:So I provide the context so that we can actually narrow the search of information. So let's say that I want my specific story to happen in this specific geographical location, then I will tell it. Then it needs to be in this location and incorporate this and this aspect of the location that I'm focusing on. And then after that, after providing the context, then I ask the instruction in the most detailed way. But, as you mentioned, I'm not going to type a lot of instruction at the same time because then you might have some confusion happening. Then, after that I received the response, then it's not the end. Then I continue, like interacting. I will say, okay, good answer, but I would like this to be changed in this sense, or provide this tone, or it's more like that. Then I continue the interaction until I receive the response that I want to have. So, basically, for me, if I can tell, like a recipe there is, like, I assume that there is like better recipe that I'm giving. But for me the first thing is to provide the context, then provide the variable meaning, like what you want, I would say, to change in the context or in which degree you want the algorithm to actually work in the space that you're providing, like the context, and then I finish with the instruction in clear one, very precise one.
Speaker 2:If it's too large or too vague then you might be disappointed about the answer. So I will work like that, so it's more like it's work like an entonnoir, meaning like it's context, and then a bit of information and then a precision on the action that I want the model to do. And I want to tell something I'm coming from an Afro-decent background and I know that sometimes the answer that I want to get are not incorporating the African culture and this is a big, big, I would say, problem. And things that people are working on in the AI scene is to have, I would say, gpt kind of model that is also incorporating the African culture and history and knowledge, so that the response that is given is not like, I would say, european based only kind of answer. So, um, yeah, you interact with ai, but you also have to know that how ai is working is working and how you have to interact with the tool and the model so that you get the the best of it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's super interesting that what you're saying there, because maybe we can keep that as a question for the end. But how chat GPT eventually unify this world culture into one, and where is our diversity and our specificities as different cultures going? Why is chat gpt not including enough african culture? Is that because there is not enough data online that it can analyze, or what is? How comes that the that it's not finding or responding in that way?
Speaker 2:it's about uh, there is a lot of factor, but I think the most, I will say, a discussed one is the data that are used in order to incorporate all this information and providing it to the user itself. There is a lot of knowledge on the African scene, but not all the knowledge are digitalized.
Speaker 1:Let's continue with the creative process. So you've already told us about a couple of tools that you're using. What else are you using AI for within your creative process?
Speaker 2:Yes, if we go back to scripting, screenplay development, then for editing, or consistency in terms of tone, there is like a tool that I used before the integration of, I would say before the popularization of, gpt, but now, as GPT integrated is Grammarly, so Grammarly, you are able to actually provide like a dialogue that you have written and say, okay, I want this dialogue to be in this specific tone, like I want it to be joyful, there is a lot of sadness inside or things like that. Then it provides you back what might be or could be the dialogue. So I think this can help. If you want to have a consistency in terms of tone throughout the dialogues or the story that you want to create, then, after having, like, your ideation is done, then you have creating yeah, like your, your the first dialogues with the specific tone. Everything has been done. Then you are able to now go to the face of fundraising, fundraising hold on.
Speaker 1:Can we just pause for a second and continue on the creative process? First, because I'd love to add some things and maybe also have a discussion around some things. So for me in the creative process, so once I've written a script, for example, I also use, for example, chat GPT to get feedback on my script and I specifically tell chat GPT do not rewrite anything, I want to still write my own script, I want you to read my script and I want you to give me feedback. And I must say, very often it tells me, oh, okay, here are all the pros, all you know the strength of your script. But here is where things aren't very clear and I must say it has helped me in making my scripts clearer or certain bits of dialogue clearer.
Speaker 1:However, I often find that the feedback is always very positive, like, chatgpt will never tell me off and will never tell me that I'm doing bad, bad work. I know it tells me okay, this can be improved and stuff. Do you that? Using chat gpt as a tool for feedback, is it enough, or is there a way to prompt it for it to be more honest, or is it just always going to word it? You know, in a very british way. The british always word it in a very, very polite way. You know how to give feedback. What do you think about using it for feedback?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say that I will not, I would say, base all my feedback from GPT.
Speaker 2:This is actually where, like, a good phase can happen with directly person, I would say, where I want to have the feedback on, specifically on about what we were discussing about bias that are existing and the fact that GPT is very happy, always joyful, positive, is like also a regulation that is happening and that is very important in AI.
Speaker 2:It's about ethic. So I will say that it's normal, that it's positive, but you can prompt it a bit to say, okay, please give me a feedback in the hat of, let's say, a specific genre or type of people that you want actually to get the feedback from. But you will get the feedback, but I would advise not to just base everything that you are requesting a report on or feedback on only based on GPT. Go to the real world, go to the right person and ask them directly their opinion. So, yeah, we have to see that. Ok, gpt, as we said, is virtual assistant, but you really have to also know in which phase you want this tool to be involved fully or partially or not at all. And I will just advise at this stage to go directly to the real world and to go outside the virtual one.
Speaker 1:I actually have never used it for feedback, neither as a dancer, choreographer or for self-tapes as an actress, so I've never asked feedback on a video. Have you ever tried, based on a video, to give you feedback and not based on a written document?
Speaker 2:No, never, to be honest. No, this is actually, as I said, this is where you have to go in the real world. At this stage, it's like it will be. Let's say that you have as a this is me, that's my opinion. As a creative you also have, I would say, a responsibility on what you are putting, I would say, in the world. Basically, I think that all that we are creating as a creative have an impact, can have, I would say, a huge impact on people. Restricting your opinion on what a computer is saying and has been programmed to respond to a certain way is not like yeah, I will say it's not like a good strategy. On my sense and because you know that your art, your story, what you are actually creating, will have an impact, go directly to the people that you are talking to and ask feedback.
Speaker 1:Question around intellectual property. So I have the paying version of ChatGPT and you know, in the settings we can say or we can deactivate this setting so that whatever we're putting into the system, that the system doesn't use it to inform the rest of its data. So I've obviously deactivated it, however. So I give you an example. So I'm writing a series at the moment and I had, I think I had 10 or 11 episodes, but I wanted to have one extra one, and I was struggling to find just the summary of this extra episode for this TV series. And so I gave ChatGPT all my ideas, all the scripts and whatever of the world of this TV series, blah, blah, blah. And I'm asking it to help me find an idea for an extra episode, right? And I said okay, give me three different ideas. Don't write the script, just give me a general context of what this episode could be about Me doing that.
Speaker 1:And so number one is am I putting myself in danger that you know the script, even though I have? I've copyrighted the rest of my script but I'm putting it into ChatGPT. Are there any dangers in sharing with ChatGPT your ideas? Number two if I'm coming up with this extra episode that is inspired by ChatGPT. I'm not saying ChatGPT is doing all the work, but it's inspiring me, right? It's a brainstorm, buddy. Is there anything with intellectual property we should be aware of?
Speaker 2:That's a very good question and I think it's also applying not only in the creative scene, but in other kinds, I will say, of sector. So what we actually see more and more happening, and I think it's legal and also focusing on what we were discussing about the importance of what you are putting out there. It's like people are now explicitly saying that this content, this creation, this art has been co-created by artificial intelligence. And they are mentioning that on purpose, because, first of all, because they know that, yeah, it's important to tell that, because if there is like an audit or someone that is asking like more information about how you create this and this aspect, you will be obliged to tell that it has been co-created by artificial intelligence. Just to come back to what you were asking about are you in danger? I will ask you back the question what is your fear, exact fear, when you are asking this question? Do you fear that other people might have the same idea or, like your idea will be displayed or disclosed somewhere? So what's?
Speaker 1:I think I'll be very specific. Let's say that I've written a script, right. Let's say that I've written a script, right. Let's say that I've written a script about a short film and it's a horror movie, right, about a girl that just lost her mom. Okay, and something is happening in the house. I'm now writing this script, I am submitting it to ChatGPT. Chatgpt now is using it as a part of its database to, generally speaking, analyze the world. Blah, blah, blah. Now somebody else across the world is saying hey, I'd love to write a short film, but I really don't know what to write. I know I want a daughter and a mother in there. Give me five ideas, and here ChatGPT gives the idea of my script. Is that possible? Is that not possible? Is that a danger? Is that not a danger? It's a possibility.
Speaker 2:There is a probability that it might be advice to someone else that is close to your background in terms of the data that you are actually sharing with GPT. So it might happen that like not specifically your ID, but like a close one, can be proposed to another person that is actually following the same pattern configuration settings as you. So it's important and it's a good, I would say, strategy for you. If you have a paid model, just to have more precise interaction with the model, this is good. And if you have the possibility to be very specifically saying that do not use my data for anything else, then of course he's obliged to do it, but nevertheless we know, and it might happen, that some part of the data can be used. So we never know. So we have to be conscious of what we are sharing and what we are not sharing.
Speaker 2:And maybe, as I said, you will start with a gpt to have, like your, the basic id, but then outside of gpt, then you refine it and you make it really on your own, on your tone. You add, like your signature meaning, like the way that you are providing your stories, like very unique to you. Then you will see that it will be very different. Then you go and you protect your art as usual. So start, as I said and I will always repeat that in the session start with GPT, but continue with your own creativity so that you avoid that kind of problem before moving on, just maybe a couple of extra things that we have tried with ai and or creative process.
Speaker 1:So what I can share is I know that I've tried to generate images from AI, for example, to find ideas for costumes, for example, to find actually I found an AI tool that is a story border. So from the script it made me a whole storyboard with images, which was amazing. Storyboard with images, which was amazing. So the storyboard is called storyboarderai images. I've tried images for pitches as well for storyboards, just to give like a vision, likea mood board of a theater play that I'm writing or a film. What else have I used AI for recently? Songs, and I'm not saying that I'm going to use these songs for a film per se, but sometimes it can be for something more, like an Instagram little sketch or something. Yeah, is there anything else that you've used a tool for for your creative process that you think of that we haven't mentioned yet? Yes, everything around.
Speaker 2:voiceover you can find really now, because back in the time it was very robotic, but now you can really find really realistic VoiceOver. So if you need that for your pitch let's say that you have your presentation and you want it to be more dynamic, having a voice, a type of tone of voice then you can actually use AI to do it. So you provide your text and then you provide it to the voiceover automatic voiceover so that you are able to do it. Video I've used a lot Automatic creation of images, like you have something in mind, then you provide your text and then, of course, you come back to the prompting aspect. Then you have a generation of images.
Speaker 2:Then, of course, when we are talking about creation, we want also the outside world to be aware of what you are creating the film, the theater, anything else like the book, everything, anything related to creativity and art. Then you are able to create content. So if you know your target, you know your target, you have a way to prompt it. We discussed about prompting. Then you are able to actually ask what can be the scheduling time. So when and on which platform should I post any content and what should be the content adapted to the target audience scene of creation, creativity, culture. But be mindful on which stage and how far you go with the creation process with AI.
Speaker 1:For me, there is a huge potential when it comes to Instagram and or social media content creation that I feel we can tap into. So, for example, if we have a film coming out or a theater show or a dance show, there is so much that we have to put out there, like in terms of content that is not just about the film or about the theater show. Let's say that our theater show like I know that you had a theater show about the mines in Congo but then it's like, okay, how can I talk about my show and create content that is not just the show but also around the topic or the theme? Some other people create a huge amount of content interviewing people in the streets and stuff, but how can AI help us create parallel content of our film, of our show? If I make a show about cats and dogs, can AI start to make a couple of funny videos of cats and dogs to create traction to my Instagram account around funny videos of cats and dogs? To create traction to my Instagram account around my film around cats and dogs, which then, you know, brings in people that loves cats and dogs and then will be interested in the film.
Speaker 1:I feel even as an actress. So at the moment, you know there's this thing. As a dancer, it seems to be so easy to create content because you just like put your camera in the middle of nature, in the middle of a train station, you do a little dance and like you have content. But as an actor, you cannot start, you know, performing a monologue in the middle of a train station and put that on Instagram, unless you're in a production.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's difficult for actors to create content, but I'm really looking into content creation with AI now, so that not only I can create, eventually, instagram content, but how can I also make it a vision board? For example, I want to do more action movies, right? So at the moment, what I'm testing out is can AI turn me into a Viking Costumes, makeup and everything? Really, it's Cindy. Ai puts makeup on Cindy, puts costume on Cindy and then I can perform a monologue at home. But I can already visualize me myself and I with the makeup and the costume and everything. I think AI, if we use it intelligently, we can use it to our advantages, advantages where we often feel stuck as creatives, especially content creation, because there's so much that is being demanded from society now in terms of content creation.
Speaker 2:It's how we can actually use or create the avatar of Cindy, the avatar of Jenny, and putting this avatar into a specific scene with a specific, I would say, costume and things like that.
Speaker 2:And this I think it's very interesting because it's also helping you on the casting level. Let's say that you have portrayed you as like the role or in the scene that you really want to achieve. Then you are able to also showcase that to the world, to, I would say, people that will be in charge of casting it, and they will say, okay, I didn't see this aspect and actually it fits what I'm looking for, what I'm thinking about, or what I heard they are looking for. So this I think it's also opening, like you said, a door, and if you don't have like an idea on how to use it, you can also ask GPT. You can ask GPT and ask the tool on how yeah, this is where I am, this is where I want to go Advise me on the steps and the tools that I need to use in order to attract this and this person or to, uh, expand my network.
Speaker 1:And you can also have this kind of advice, because now we are just focusing on and that's good on, um, the creative process, but sometimes you also need advice let's continue with that thought when you said, oh, oh, we can use ChatGPT to see which casting directors we can connect with, how to network, how can I expand my network and stuff. So I have never, to be honest, had quite good responses or specific enough responses when it comes to that. However, and maybe it's my prompting or maybe it's the system that is not enough up to date yet, and maybe it's my prompting or maybe it's the system that is not enough up to date yet. However, where I've been very successful is, for example, writing, rewriting my CV for certain things like, for example, about six months ago, I applied for a job. I wasn't really sure if I wanted it or not, but I was like I need to submit for it. They were looking for an artistic director or a cultural center and I was like, let me try it.
Speaker 1:I really used it as my career coach. So I was like here is my CV as an actress, here is my CV as a teacher, here's my CV as a producer. Can we put it all together? How can I structure my letter of motivation? And I really I used chat GPT to analyze. Sorry, I first asked chat GPT to analyze. Sorry, I first asked ChatGPT to analyze the job post, the job specifications. What did they want from an artistic director of this particular cultural center? So it helped me to analyze it even further than what I would have done it. Then it helped me to structure my motivation letter, because I had written like nine pages of just me being a passionate and it was and then it helped me to restructure it in a way that was way more understandable by a person that had never met me. So, yeah, that's how I've been using it for career development before. Have you ever used it for these sort of things as a yes?
Speaker 2:I think, to be honest, and that's the best I will say, advice that you can receive from GPT is about the carrier and like screening of your CV or adapting based on a certain job description, because these are data that are like outside the world, that are available on the website and there is no like subjectivity, if I can say it like that.
Speaker 2:So this is the job description that is mostly common, let's say, for this specific role that you are actually applying for, and we already have data that are factual data from this specific organization that you want to apply for.
Speaker 2:So I think JudgeGPT is the best, I would say, for this kind of interaction and content that you want to get from advice.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I use it a lot for this aspect like CV screening, job description, and what I like to do also is to, when I want to rewrite my CV or rewrite my motivation letter, it's like I'm asking also GPT to revise it, to review it, in a way, like with a specific hat on, let's say that I know that the person that will receive will be the director of XYZ company and I know that this person has this and this background already. Person has this and this background already. I've done my research and I want GPT to be like specifically revise, like review my content based on this hat that he's putting, and this I provide it as a context. So, as I said, my prompting is always like in Antenoir I put the context and then I ask specifically the instruction, and then you will see that the response is different when you are asking GPT like just revise it like that, or revise it or review it in the perspective of this specific profile. That's the best way to interact with this model.
Speaker 1:So that can maybe lead us to funding application forms, because sometimes we write with so much passion and if I or you had to share that with another artist or a filmmaker or they would totally understand us. But if we have to explain our idea to an institution that gives grants and money to make it possible, sometimes we have to word it differently. That gives grants and money to make it possible, sometimes we have to word it differently. So asking ChatGPT to review our document with another hat on is going to be crucial at that point. Have you ever used ChatGPT for funding application forms and can you give any maybe specifics of how it can work?
Speaker 2:Yes, I've done it. I've done it basically. So I always put the context, this is the context, this is the fundraising campaign that I would like to apply for and also provide a website. So you know that GPT also is capable of analyzing what is the content of a specific website. So I provide this first and I ask can you please review my answers based on the need, the requirement of the fund, and then GPT is capable of telling okay, this is actually what you are saying at this paragraph. It's really good, and then you can maybe improve this. Also, some advice on how to improve the text. So, of course, I've used it a lot and I think this is a game changer improve the text. So, of course, I've used it a lot and I think this is a game changer in the scene.
Speaker 2:Before that it was taking a lot of time and, yes, it also helps when you are. Sometimes you also have to create pitch deck and in the creative world then pitch deck with words sometimes it might be be like not boring, but people are not like feeling what you are. You want to project, what you want to create, so they have to be emotionally attracted to your idea. Then you also have tools such as beautifulai, where you are able to actually create video with a specific atmosphere tone. Then you project, like you help people to project them into your ID. So you have your pitch deck that is complemented and generated with a beautifulai. You have your fundraising application that has been improved and reviewed by GPT, knowing the context, and then you also have sometimes you have to create a budget. Then you can use tools to have a budget. You can use tools such as arcai, where you have a finance model, financing, forecasting, I would say Excel spreadsheets that is created.
Speaker 2:So this is helping a lot in terms of time and you always put the context. I think the like to provide the context first is key, because then you want this model to be answering really within the context, because if you are outside the context, of course you can have the very good application well written, but if it's not matching the need of the fundraiser, then what's the point? You can also create AI video pitches where you can convert a text and then the prompting is important. We discuss that a lot within tools such as Synthesia. So, basically, you provide context, like the text, and you want an AI video pitches that is created automatically, and this is very amazing, you will see, like such as a butterfly effect. You start with AI providing you ID improvement, and then maybe you are amazed about what you get out of your AI tools and you open doors to other ideas, and then it becomes, you know.
Speaker 1:I'll share a bit with you what my experiences have been with budgets. I actually feel that AI is giving me very often very good feedback or ideas for budgets, and that even includes when I want to buy or sell or rent a space in a specific city and you might want to rent a space because you need to move country, but you might also want to rent a space because you need to film for a day in an apartment in Brussels or something. It is giving quite accurate brackets for budgets and stuff. I've also asked for funding application forms for AI to find me statistics. For example, if I'm applying to make a show or a film to empower women, I might ask AI hey, this is the topic of my film or my show, this is what the funding body is supporting. Can you find me statistics that show how many women are underrepresented in blah blah blah, in these layers of society? And I will support my funding application form. So I came up with really good statistics.
Speaker 1:Another thing as well, like, for example, sometimes I have to present myself in video so that can be as an actress. So recently I applied for it was like an acting, a two-day acting thing. They were looking, looking for multilingual actors, we had to present ourselves to apply for it and be selected, and I wasn't really sure what I had to say or how to say it, and so, with AI, it told me for 30 seconds, you say this. For 30 seconds you talk about this about your life. For 30 seconds, you talk about this part of your CV. For 45 seconds, you talk about your dog. And actually it made it, it gave it a good flow and I got selected. We're only six actors that were selected. I've also recently applied for a writing residency, but a part of the application form was also presenting ourselves in video.
Speaker 1:Same thing. I wasn't. Yes, I know what to say, but how do I say it in three minutes? They say in maximum three minutes. Pitch yourself in three minutes in your idea, and AI gave me a structure. For 30 seconds, you talk about your experience. For 45 seconds, you talk about a new idea, then 10 seconds you give this line. That is just the hook of your idea or whatever. So that can really help as well. Video pitches. We're not going to dive too deep into this episode, into it, but a lot of filmmakers are using AI now instead of asking for I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars or euros to make a film. They make a concept video with AI tools and then they can start promoting their idea and financing to make it happen, which is always very exciting.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, that's completely true. I think and I think, as I said, when you don't have the budget, but you are seeking for funds to actually develop your idea, then use AI. Please, use it as much as possible so that you can actually grab these fundings and make it real reality.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about being a performer. So maybe I can give you a couple of examples of how I've used AI as an actress and then maybe you can then say how you would, or maybe encourage your dancers to use it when you create a new piece of dance theater. Does that sound good? Yes, perfect. So for me as a performer, as an actress I'm going to talk about me as an actress I've been trying to train ai to be my improv buddy. So there is something called improv and comedy improv and I was like you know what, every morning I want to do a bit of improv, just to get the machine rolling. It's been interesting, but I literally had to be AI's teacher. So I used Gemini for this particular one, not ChatGPT, and I told Gemini you know, let you be my improv buddy. And here is a prompt let's go, let's start. We start an improv scene, but every improv scene went spiraling down and went nowhere because AI was not using these technical skills or human empathy. So I had to teach AI really how to become a better partner, a better actor I can interact with. We're still working on it, but it's improving. I'm not saying it's super successful yet, but it's improving.
Speaker 1:I've also used AI to prepare castings. So, as actors that work in film, we are often being sent a script. We have to prepare it at home and we have to film ourselves at home. Sometimes we don't have much context of that script, which is very annoying. So here you have a script.
Speaker 1:You just know you are, I don't know, a drug dealer Cool. And you know that you're in a futuristic world Cool but you still don't know what is the texture of this drug dealer. So I've sometimes asked AI and that is important, because you all also talked about it often when do you want to keep ownership as an artist? That is important and I feel for me as a performer, when I discuss things with AI, I specifically tell AI do not tell me how to act, do not tell me which choices to make. I want you to help me analyze the script so I can have ideas, as a performer, of what happened before the scene or after the scene, or basically analyze it, but not tell me what to do, because I think that's where I want to keep ownership, definitely. So, yeah, those are a couple of examples you working with dancers.
Speaker 2:Definitely. So, yeah, those are a couple of examples. You working with dancers is there any way that you have encouraged or they are, they are like moving on the scene should be in that in that way, because this is coming from the, the background of the, the, the specific character. So, basically, when I'm working with team of dancer, then I provide dialogues and I provide the story. I always provide also and this is something that I have done for years I have provided a one-pager for each character where I actually provide the history background of this person.
Speaker 2:If I receive this specific one-pager of Jenny, I will submit this one-pager to Artificial Intelligence Model and analyze it and providing me more context. How do you think this character should be, or what kind of emotion should be like, portrayed so that the entire scene make sense? How do you see the interaction in terms of emotion and how do you think and then put the hat as the target audience that will come to see the show, how do you think they will react? And this is important, knowing and come back, come back into the fact that I was saying that as a creative person, you are in charge of what you are putting outside the world and the emotion that you want to create in the head of the audience.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about everything that is controversial around AI. So obviously this episode has been about what are the exciting possibilities? How can AI support our creative careers, make us even more productive, support our creativity? There are a lot of fears as well that people face, such as will performers eventually be replaced? Will writers disappear? Are there any elements that you are scared of or that you could see, or it's for you, everything positive?
Speaker 2:I am a creator of AI algorithms, so I know I will say the extent of AI, but I also know what AI can actually cause to certain persons. So this is why I'm saying that when you are using these tools, you have to be mindful on how to use it, what you are disclosing as information. I know it from fact. I'm creating AI algorithms. I am inside this sector but in the same time, I see it like it's such a revolution. It's like a game changer, and I don't see AI as replacing, I would say, people's jobs. I see AI as like maybe creating jobs. We discussed about prompt engineering that was not existing before. So this is like really a job People are searching for, prompt engineering. So it actually creates jobs, but for jobs that are already existing. I think it's really like a supporting tool.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about the translators, like now and even before AI, to be honest, you had to put your text in the translators and then you received the translation and this was this is a question this was killing translator job. No, it was helping the review to be more fast. So let's say that you have a text you are writing in French, but you want your text to be in a Swahili, let's say African language, then you will use AI or another not AI tool and it helps, because after that you will say I have my text in Swahili, but I want a translator like really someone that is Swahili phone to review it, because AI can have some mistakes and that's normal. That's a computer. What the translator will spend more time. Now it's not translating the text, but reviewing a text that you have translated and maybe adding more skills to his services, which is not only like translating but, let's say, providing a certain context, meaning like, okay, let's say that in Swahili we say this in a specific way, that actually it's not well translated by AI models. Then I know it from fact because I'm a Swahili fan, and we also know that Swahili is different from a country to another. So let's say that swahili from kenya and swahili from this drc it's a bit different in terms of, I would say, expression. So all these things will be providing by a human person. That is like living in the real world.
Speaker 2:So for me, I don't see ai as a killing job, but as, but, as like freeing up time to certain activity that you tend to do. Before that was maybe not the I would say, the activity that was fulfilling your dream, but freeing up time for you so that you can focus on more important and more, I would say, exciting things in your own jobs. And we see also. We discussed about prompt engineering as one example. It also creates new jobs. Yes, we had computer science and things like that in the past, way before I was not born, and things like that. It was also scary for the people out there, but now it's part of our world. We use computer as like now, but it's the same with AI. Some people are scared about AI. Now I understand there are certain things that we have to be mindful of. We discussed that. But in a certain way, we have to embrace AI and see how we can still interact with this technology.
Speaker 1:That will involve with the years that are coming with this technology that will involve with the years that are coming. To wrap up this interview, I would love you to give a little bit of advice on the following. I consider myself to be quite tech savvy and I learn quick and I love learning. However, in the world of AI, there are new tools coming. It's so fast, it evolves in such a fast way and I'm still learning a tool that I'm still trying to explore and while it can really help me with my productivity, I also have to put in ever-evolving AI landscape so that we can still use it to be productive, but we also learn enough and on time so that we keep up with how it's evolving.
Speaker 2:That's a very good question. I will advise to be like you can actually find, I would say, a newsletter or like we naming a certain company, but you can find a newsletter where you can be up to date to receive information about the new tools that are existing in the creative space, so that you actually don't have to search for but the information is coming to you, so that you keep. I would say you are up to date about, but the information is coming to you so that you keep. I will say, uh, you are up to date about all the information and I will say, if you want to use a tool to be honest and even myself I'm not like, I'm like learning also some things youtube is a good place, a good place to find a lot of information.
Speaker 2:You you will find a lot of tutorials, a lot it's a huge library that you can find on YouTube just to learn one, I would say, specific tool.
Speaker 2:And there is like I think every day they have like a new video it can be like five minutes video or 15 minutes video where you will be actually learning the basics for what you need to do and for your specific task in the creative space. So I will advise two things. First is to actually connect to a newsletter of a company that you are following and providing, like AI tools for creative persons, and also follow what is existing on a tutorial on YouTube regarding the tool that you actually select to help you in your creative journey. I think it's the best way and the cost, I will say effective way to be up to date and to be not like lost in all this information. So, because you don't want to learn everything, you just need to have, like in certain information on certain specific things. So select what you want to actually learn by connecting to the right newsletter and also the same on youtube awesome.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much, jenny. So where can people keep in touch with you, both as an artist and with your ai company?
Speaker 2:I think the best way to be in touch of what I'm doing is to search on my name in LinkedIn, because then you will be able to write me a message and then I will be more than happy to respond to you. So, if you type my long name, which is Jenny Ambukieni Onya but I think if you type Jenny Onya you find me on LinkedIn Jenny Ambukieni Onya, but I think if you type Jenny Onya you'll find me on LinkedIn Then, yeah, it's a direct way to interact with me. Thank you so much, Jenny. Thank you Cindy, Thank you a lot.
